11A: How, When, and Where

11A: How, When, and Where


2. Shruti & Smriti

In a Gita verse Krishna gives Arjun the divine vision:

But you cannot see Me with your present eyes. Therefore I give you divine eyes. Behold My mystic opulence!

With this divine eyes Arjun was able to see the entire universe, with all its past, present, and future characteristics. A high level yogi can acquire such power through yogic means to see all details of nature and its laws. Without such yogic power no one can see the truth documented in Vedas. Thus if anyone wants to see the Vedas he will have to acquire such power. The Vedic knowledge is still there for all of us to see. This is a 3-D vision, like we see in video cameras.

In Mahabharat, we see that the author Byasdev, giving the same power of divine vision to Sanjoy, for him to see a 3-D view of the battle field so that he can narrate the progress and events of war to his blind king Dhritarashtra inside the palace. With this divine vision Sanjoy also saw what Arjun saw about the universe. Thus any yogi can acquire such power.

Byasdev had this divine power and therefore he could see the entire Mahabharat story as it was happening during his life time and also see the entire past, present, and future of the story that spanned several generations. Therefore we can see that Mahabharat cannot be an imaginative story, everything written there was real and happened in practice. A yogi with immense stature of Byasdev or Valmiki cannot write anything false or imaginative because they can see the real events with their divine vision. Such yogis are called seers or Drashta in Sanskrit. The entire Vedas was created by such yogis or seers. This is a special yogic power that anyone can learn and acquire it.

In past life regression therapy section we have seen Dr. Weiss demonstrated that a person can see the 3-D view of his own past life. Note that this is different from Arjun’s 3-D vision. His patient Catherine could see her in the various panoramic views of her past lives, she could recognize her there. Under such vision an ordinary person will also not be able to lie about his own past; at least not to herself.

In Patanjali sutra 3.16 we see how such vision can be acquired:

By samyama on the three-fold changes in form, time, and characteristics, there comes knowledge of the past and future. (parinimah traya samyama atita anagata jnana)

Where, Samyama is a yogic procedure, defined by other verses, in Patanjali sutras.

Shruti is defined by [Aurobindo] as:

The language of Veda itself is S’ruti, a rhythm not composed by the intellect but heard, a divine Word that came vibrating out of the Infinite to the inner audience of the man who had previously made himself fit for the impersonal knowledge.

Thus we can understand that shruti (or sruti) is a sound or vibration or a serial communication directly from infinite to inner ears. It cannot give you a complete 3-D view that Krishna gave to Arjun. If you want to see a 3-D view using serial hearing then it will not be complete and cannot be expressed in hymns using another form of serial communication. But since not everyone can acquire such divine vision, the seer yogi had to express orally to his students. This oral communication should be considered as shruti, as opposed to the divine vision. Although the intent of shruti is correct, it is a divine hearing from the universe. But even the ears of the subtle body, which is directly attached to the soul, are serial interfacing devices.

An example of difference between a 3-D view and the corresponding serial communication can be given in the following way. Consider the 3-D view of Grand Canyon; it is the view that you will see when you go to the physical site, see, and feel the experience, using your own eyes. This will be a tremendous experience, for all first timers. But now consider the serial view. Ask the best author of the world to write a description of the Grand Canyon. This text is serial, because you are not seeing it or experiencing it, but you are reading it line by line, word by word serially, one after another. You are then trying to comprehend and see the Grand Canyon mentally, by reconstructing the 3-D view. If you have never seen the Grand Canyon, you will never get the real feeling from this text, no matter how well it is written. The panoramic view will create a sensation in your body that you cannot get from an artificial text.

Thus when we go from divine vision or drishti to shruti we lose major features. When the seer yogi describes his vision of nature using shruti, the disciple, cannot get what the seer saw. Thus all the original shruti and smriti versions cannot represent the true nature. Moreover original smriti is lost, what we see and read today is a third or fourth generation of lost versions. In the process many authors have added their own understanding of things without having any background about yogis, yogic power, and how the truth exists in nature. Just knowing Sanskrit is not enough to see Vedas.

When this shruti was memorized by students, it was called smriti. Thus content of shruti and smriti are same. When it was written down from smriti it became text. You can imagine that a significant amount of information was lost when people converted vision to shruti to smriti and then to text. In this book we will maintain that same concept is conveyed by both shruti and divine vision, as this is the mainstream definition of shruti. But we should recognize the origin, the difference, and the consequences.

Itihasa (History) & Veda

Ramayan and Mahabharat are considered by mainstream Hinduism as history and not part of Vedas. But this author considers that as a wrong concept. If Veda is defined as subjects obtained by shruti then Ramayan and Mahabharat also should be considered as part of Vedas, because they originated as shruti i.e. by divine vision.

Both Valmiki and Byasdev, authors of these two books, were very high level yogis with all kinds of exotic yogic powers including the divine vision. Therefore they cannot write anything that they are not seeing. Or alternatively, they cannot change anything that they are seeing. Thus these histories are real and therefore they are stored in nature forever and anyone with divine vision will be able to see them exactly the way it was told originally. They are therefore parts of Vedas.

The above idea, of Itihasa being part of Veda, is also supported by the following thoughts collected from the website [Mares]. For better and more detailed justifications please visit the above site.

After Srila Vyasa compiled the four Vedas, there still remained one billion verses from the original Yajur Veda. These verses became the original Purana, which is still available on the heavenly planets. Out of compassion for the people of Kali-yuga, Vyasadeva extracted five hundred thousand essential verses from this original Purana. Four hundred thousand of these He divided into the eighteen Puranas. The remaining verses formed the Itihasa called Mahabharata. The Itihasa and Puranas are therefore called the fifth Veda because they were produced from the original Veda.


3. Vedic Period
3.1 Mahabharat Period

An archeological discovery, 120 feet below ocean surface, and about 25 miles from shore, in the Gulf of Cambay in the west coast of India could be over 9000 years old, according to scientists. Remains of these two large cities, each of the size of Manhattan in New York, predate the oldest remains discovered in India.

“Debris recovered from the site – including construction material, pottery, sections of walls, beads, sculpture and human bones and teeth has been carbon dated and found to be nearly 9,500 years old” [BBC, 2002].

Some pottery pieces were collected and tested by using OSL method at the Oxford university dating laboratory. They produced dates in the range of 24,000 to 30,000 years old [Badrinaryan].

This archeological site is at the present day city of Dwarka. The Dwarka city was built six times and was swallowed up by ocean; present city is the seventh one. Mahabharat story says king Krishna built the city and his palace at Dwarka. The archeological descriptions match fairly well with the descriptions in Mahabharat. Thus we can say that the Mahabharat story happened almost 10,000 years before. For more details you may want to watch the video [Hancock] listed in the references.

The weapon systems used in Mahabharat were quite different than what we use in modern days. Now a separate organization manufactures the weapons, and military people use them as tools. Whereas in Mahabharat period we see every expert has his own custom weapons, which are his own specialty, and only he knows how to use them. Although, we see that the anti-weapons were also available to the other sides. As examples, Arjun, Bhim, Karna, Krishna all had their personalized and specialty weapons. Arjun acquired them from god Indra. Karna had body armor at birth given by Sun god.

Their manufacturing, acquisitions, and applications all appear to be based on yogic methods. They also do not carry them in their vehicles. It is difficult to believe that such concepts and technology of weapons can vanish so quickly within ten thousand years. It may have taken 50 to 100 thousand years to vanish such technologies. Thus the dates of Mahabharat may be quite off the reality.

3.2 Ramayan Period

Ramayan represents an idealistic period. Society was very clean at that time. Ram, the main character in the Ramayan story, represented highest level human values possible. He sets the standards for ideal husband, faithfulness, romance and love for his wife. He had only one wife, and said he will never marry another woman. He was an ideal son who obeyed parents with extreme sacrifice, led a very pious and dedicated life for the service of his kingdom as an ideal king. He was the most powerful undefeated king. His wife Sita was an equally dedicated ideal woman, who sacrificed her life for caring and loving her husband, was very devoted in raising her two sons as a single mother, at Valmiki’s abode, when she separated herself for life from her husband to honor his reputation to people of his kingdom.

Such a society is completely different from Mahabharat period, where we see Arjun marrying a woman, wherever he travels, even though he has a wife at his palace. In Mahabahrat we see family feuds, which is completely non-existent in Ramayan. It takes a very long time for a civilization to deteriorate to Mahabharat standard. The gap between the two periods must be more than 100 thousand years.

Ramayan is about a war against a race, called Rakhasas or Demons, led by a very powerful king named Ravan. Ravan and his sons had very sophisticated technologies. At his time all the kings had very high level yogic power, and they were very learned in Vedic theories and meditation methods. Ravan had a very big city and a golden palace, where everybody lived very happily, very much like Krishna’s Dwarka. The existence of such sophisticated technology, more advanced than Mahabharat period also proves that Ramayan period may even be more than 100 thousand years older.

Ram joined the monkey race to fight against king Ravan and killing him at the end of the battle. The Ramayan story shows monkeys were also very advanced level human like race with high level of yogic power. Some of them could fly also without any machines. All demons also could fly, but not Ravan and his sons, they had flying machines. This kind of description of races may have motivated some people to suggest that the gap between Ramayan and Mahabharat period could be over a million years [Acharya].

In Ramayan period we also see very highly advanced yogis and rishis all over India and in the plains. All gurus of all sons of kings and ordinary people were yogis. In Mahabharat we find only few high level yogis comparable to Ramayan level yogis. Thus reduction of such numbers of yogis and their yogic power also indicate a large time gap of more than 100 thousand years.

3.3 Puranic Period

The gap between puranic period and Ramayan period could be more than several million years. Near the beginning of this period Veda was already created. In this period we do not see ordinary humans; most of the humans were very high level yogis. During this period most of the actions were limited between demon or Rakhasas race and gods race. The gods were always available and were physically present with people and Rakhasas. We do not see any monkey race.

Everyone used to live over several thousand years. The Rakhasas race was significantly advanced in yogic power and their activities were spread all over the world and not just limited to India, they even included deep space and the entire planetary system of our universe. All the human yogis were also very highly advanced. We see here the human yogi observers of the Vedic theories.

We see here Kapila Muni, who created the Samkhya Philosophy; we see Vrigu Rishi who created astrology and Vrigu Samhitas. Here we see Vrigu is cursing god Vishnu who was reincarnated as Ram in Ramayan period. Thus humans and gods were always together and accessible. In this period we see that King Dakkha as one of the most powerful yogis, in whose palace god Vishnu used to come occasionally. His daughter Sati married god Shiva. From these interactions we can realize that gods were nothing but humans with highest level yogic powers. Thus yoga technology was available to everybody long before Vedas were created.

Such a Puranic period must have existed verily many years before Ramayan period. Thus we can safely conjecture that Vedic period is several million years from modern times; mainly because it covered the entire world.

Note that it is very easy to find out the exact time periods for these eras by any advanced level yogis of modern times. Everything that has happened is already there in nature and will remain there forever. Any person, who has high level yogic power with divine vision, will be able to see the events in Puranic and Ramayan periods and know the time history. It may also be possible for us to find a technology to see the past events. If a yogi can do something then a technology can also be produced to do the same thing. And a yogi can help to produce that technology.